tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2652585531501263961.post6513878581976386707..comments2023-05-26T03:54:12.061-04:00Comments on EcoBlog: The Thanksgiving Day MassacrePeter K Fallon, Ph.D.http://www.blogger.com/profile/16160456656334463912noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2652585531501263961.post-37636475205765358242015-12-08T12:20:05.641-05:002015-12-08T12:20:05.641-05:00I agree with many of the issues discussed on this ...I agree with many of the issues discussed on this blog. However, I believe going completely vegan for most of the world is not very realistic. In my own opinion, what people need to do is show way more control on how often they decide to eat an animal or a piece of an animal instead of eating them every day sometimes during three meals a day. This type of consumption is what has caused the factory farming how it is today. When I walk around town or any other town all I see is people. There are no other animals around except some birds, if I'm that lucky too see any birds in the air or in trees. All I ever see as I walk around is people, people everywhere. I think its the amount of people around that's causing all the environmental damage as you describe on this blog, it's not the animals. Most dairy cows have an over-abundance of milk that goes beyond the needs of their calves, so I believe it's okay to take that milk by hand squeezing and then let the cow go back to it's life in the field for the rest of the day. There's nothing wrong with that. Make some cheese, butter, etc. and use that for food. It's where people get the desires to have more than they actually need is where the problems develop. Over-consumption of animals and animal bi-products. I think if you are the type of person who is strong enough to go completely without eating anything related to animals or ocean creatures then you are really exceptional in our worldly society. But I personally believe veganism is too extreme a remedy for most of the world. I don't eat animals any more, but I do eat cheese and an egg sometimes when I can find sources where the animals are treated in a normal civilized fashion. Otherwise I go without. But that's just my philosophy. I would prefer to see some other animals running around our society everyday and not just only people. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05684172888075947369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2652585531501263961.post-56779382167295366432012-11-21T02:41:44.714-05:002012-11-21T02:41:44.714-05:00Hi Christine:
While I understand your desire, the...Hi Christine:<br /><br />While I understand your desire, there's no need to yell at your mom. She still sees the consumption of animals and their products the way we all once did. The truth, however, is impossible to ignore once you know it. And once we know, we can do something about it. Yes, animals are brought into existence for us and we are creating the demand. But you can remove your support from this violence and injustice by going vegan. Please start here: www.vegankit.com<br /><br />Thanks for considering my point of view.<br /><br />DemoDemostheneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16238135658237025555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2652585531501263961.post-89192068962377660102012-11-21T02:31:56.528-05:002012-11-21T02:31:56.528-05:00Hi Sara:
The reason you indicate why becoming veg...Hi Sara:<br /><br />The reason you indicate why becoming vegan would be difficult for you (you already don't eat a lot of meat) is the reason why becoming vegan should be very easy for you. You don't have far to go to entirely eliminate your participation in violence and injustice. Protein deficiency is not a problem for Americans, too much protein is, however. And you can get all the protein and nutrients you need to be healthy from plant sources. Eating animals is totally unnecessary. We simply continue to do it for convenience, tradition, habit and taste. Rather flimsy reasons considering the psychological and physical abuse, pain, torture, and dismemberment that billions of animals endure to satisfy our unnecessary desire for animal flesh.<br /><br />Thanks for considering my point of view.<br /><br />DemoDemostheneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16238135658237025555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2652585531501263961.post-6739285640776444422012-11-21T02:17:39.698-05:002012-11-21T02:17:39.698-05:00And on more thing. Please understand that the trea...And on more thing. Please understand that the treatment of animals is not the problem, their use as exploitable "things" is the problem. The answer is not to regulate violence and abuse, the answer is to end it. Just like we would never regulate child abuse, rape or slavery we can not simply regulate animal abuse. It needs to end.Demostheneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16238135658237025555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2652585531501263961.post-31178952319277167942012-11-21T01:58:55.218-05:002012-11-21T01:58:55.218-05:00Hi Stephanie:
Sometimes we don't want to know...Hi Stephanie:<br /><br />Sometimes we don't want to know the truth, but once we do it's pretty much impossible to forget it. And for that reason, I understand the way you're feeling. No need to beat yourself up with guilt about it. The good news is that now that you're armed with the truth you can do something about it. Please consider going vegan and remove your support from this system of violence and injustice. Please start here: www.vegankit.com<br /><br />Thanks for considering my point of view.<br /><br />DemoDemostheneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16238135658237025555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2652585531501263961.post-88973665738922206732012-11-20T07:50:21.185-05:002012-11-20T07:50:21.185-05:00Hi Demo
With you sharing this information I thi...Hi Demo<br /> With you sharing this information I think I may try becoming a vegan. I can't make any promises that I will stick to it but might as well give it a shot for at least a week. I have nothing to lose. Thanks for sharing your information. <br />JoannaJoanna Hearneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13469673307142828776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2652585531501263961.post-27126253484031099952012-11-19T23:07:23.814-05:002012-11-19T23:07:23.814-05:00As I read this article it made me want to yell at ...As I read this article it made me want to yell at my mom for buys a 20 pound turkey. I always looked at eating meat as a way of life. A food chain will always happen in nature so therefore, I saw no problem with consuming animal products. I am completely disgusted at the fact that the animals where being handled in this matter. I never thought not once as i ate my turkey, that they go through so much pain! This should be illegal. I do not see how this can be allowed. as my stomach turns into knots I also am disgusted at the fact that there are so many diseases being cared for so poorly. I have nothing else to say but i will not have turkey this Thanksgiving.... I feel completely at fault that these poor living creatures are being harmed because it is for my consumption. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2652585531501263961.post-32913150319806257192012-11-19T22:46:05.259-05:002012-11-19T22:46:05.259-05:00This blogpost made me really think as to how horri...This blogpost made me really think as to how horrible animals are treated. I agree with the fact that animals being treated and slaughtered are wrong, and it was really hard for me to hear about how terrible the turkeys were being treated. Going vegan would be hard for me because i do not eat meat alot, i feel like it would be hard to cut it out all together, due to what i heard about the protein in meat like chicken.<br /><br />Sara V.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2652585531501263961.post-24881646023853861622012-11-19T19:08:46.985-05:002012-11-19T19:08:46.985-05:00Reading this article was defiantly making me feel ...Reading this article was defiantly making me feel guilty for all those years of stuffing my face with turkey on thanksgiving and other animals. This isn’t the first time I heard about these terrible conditions of animals and to be honest it makes me sick to think about the way humans treat animals as if they were born only to be eaten by us. If Americans are going to continue to eat these products and in such great amounts then we should at less try to make more rules or regulations on these companies to keep them from just cruel treatment of the animals. There has to be a better way because the conditions these animals are in now are disgusting. This is defiantly going to keep me from eating turkey this week. Stephanie Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17811758590726429357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2652585531501263961.post-264428472804724492012-11-19T18:22:16.245-05:002012-11-19T18:22:16.245-05:00Hi Sheika:
I'm heartened to see that you'...Hi Sheika:<br /><br />I'm heartened to see that you've taken an interest in moving in the direction of veganism, and have begun to do your own research on the subject. And you're absolutely right to point out the greater good in what compels so many to become vegan. It costs us so little to be vegan, but it costs animals so much if we don't. <br /><br />Please feel free to contact me at dmaratos(at)si(dot)molloy(dot)edu if you have any questions as you move closer to veganism.<br /><br />Thanks for considering my point of view.<br /><br />DemoDemostheneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16238135658237025555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2652585531501263961.post-33174442189041543212012-11-19T18:14:36.668-05:002012-11-19T18:14:36.668-05:00Hi Alexandra:
I'm glad that you recognize tha...Hi Alexandra:<br /><br />I'm glad that you recognize that all animals matter morally and haven't succumbed to the moral schizophrenia that blinds so many of us. All animals feel pain, suffer and value their lives. Regardless of the fact that some have been designated as a food source while others are designated as companions. You're right, you can't make moral distinctions between different forms of exploitation.<br /><br />Thanks for considering my point of view.<br /><br />DemoDemostheneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16238135658237025555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2652585531501263961.post-52747051382783976722012-11-19T18:13:44.691-05:002012-11-19T18:13:44.691-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Demostheneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16238135658237025555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2652585531501263961.post-35339661729818839692012-11-18T20:09:00.441-05:002012-11-18T20:09:00.441-05:00I agree that it is cruel that animals are treated ...I agree that it is cruel that animals are treated that way. Very good point was made when mentioning how we would never think of treating our pets in such ways. I think everyone should at least make the attempt to try and become vegan and see how it goes. You can't knock it till you try it. I would be willing to give it a try, the true test will be on Thanksgiving. <br />-Alexandra P. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2652585531501263961.post-34009547325826707402012-11-17T18:35:16.466-05:002012-11-17T18:35:16.466-05:00I agree that animals should be looked as more than...I agree that animals should be looked as more than "food" for us. They feel pain the same we do, and to cause such pain to any living thing is not right. I've been trying to go more in the vegan direction, I have already started cutting out meat from everyday. I'm down to eating meat about twice a day. At first it was hard because I was brought up to think I needed meat to be healthy but in essence there's only negative affects to consuming meat. First and for most the slaughtering of animals if wrong. This type of diet is not the healthiest and also due to all the antibiotics that these animals are being feed and then we go and consume it, we start to get resistance to these antibiotics. According to the reasearch I've done, you can get all the essential minerals and vitamins you need with a vegan diet, the only I believe you can't is B12, but you can take a supplement for. It has been challenging for me to find different things for a dinner, but when I remember it's for a greater cause it makes it all worth it. This Thankgiving should be very interested because I have persuaded my mom to let's try and have no meet this Thanksgiving. It gives you a chance to try different types of food and veggies, itbgives you a chance to be creative and make new things. I'm looking forward to it!<br /><br />By: Sheika Baksh Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2652585531501263961.post-25392471492162270072012-11-16T18:42:52.373-05:002012-11-16T18:42:52.373-05:00Hi Gabriella:
I want to let you all know, that I ...Hi Gabriella:<br /><br />I want to let you all know, that I was not raised vegan. I ate meat, cheese, milk and eggs for around 22 years. I used to wear leather shoes, belts and jackets like everyone else. Needless to say, I understand your lifestyle, it used to be mine. <br /><br />I came to some realizations, however, and as hard as I though it was to go vegan at the time, I understood how much harder it was for animals that I wasn't vegan. You already believe what it takes to be vegan. You understand that animal slaughter is immoral. Being vegan is about nonviolence and justice. It's about living your ethics and aligning them with your actions by refusing to participate in a system that makes enormous profits at the expense of animals, who, for all intent and purposes are just as sentient as the family dog or cat. <br /><br />Thanks for considering my point of view:<br /><br />Demo<br />Demostheneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16238135658237025555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2652585531501263961.post-71377626267739557442012-11-16T18:24:40.450-05:002012-11-16T18:24:40.450-05:00Hi Olga:
Billions of animals are brought into exi...Hi Olga:<br /><br />Billions of animals are brought into existence and killed for people to eat. You don't honestly think that if we don;t eat them other animals will, do you? Fact is, as more and more people stop eating animals, more and more animals will cease being brought into existence in the first place. <br /><br />In addition, changing the way animals are treated and ultimately killed is not the answer. There is no such thing as humanely killing someone. What do you think goes on for animals in a slaughter house? Do you think they get belly rubs? Or course not. Just like there is no such thing as humane rape or humane child molestation, there is no such as humane slaughter. <br /><br />What happens to animals regardless of the method of killing is psychological and physical abuse, torture, dismemberment and murder. Please reconsider whether your desire for animal flesh is worth what animals have to endure. <br /><br />Thanks for considering my point of view.<br /><br />DemoDemostheneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16238135658237025555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2652585531501263961.post-47568265303040354362012-11-16T18:08:38.049-05:002012-11-16T18:08:38.049-05:00Hi Antoinette:
Glad to hear your exploring vegani...Hi Antoinette:<br /><br />Glad to hear your exploring veganism. If I can help or answer a question, shoot me an email. I'd be glad to help (dmaratos@si.molloy.edu). You're right, some people become vegan gradually, while others do it all at once. If you can't become vegan overnight, you might find that you can eliminate one animal product at a time, or go vegan for one meal a day, or one day a week, and then expand until you are completely vegan.<br /><br />Thanks for considering my point of view.<br /><br />Demo<br />Demostheneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16238135658237025555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2652585531501263961.post-66620040015375041052012-11-16T12:19:55.544-05:002012-11-16T12:19:55.544-05:00Yes the cruerlty to animals should be right it mus...Yes the cruerlty to animals should be right it must painful for them to die the way.But if we stop eating them anyways others animals will eat them, therefore they will still suffer.Like i said before is hard for us to stop eating ckickens,or any kind of meats we are so used eat it. Thanksgiving is comimg soon i alreadt could feel the taste of the turkey in my mouth especially the way mom cooks it is the best. i guess if there was a different method in killing them i wouldnt be so bad after all the all kind of meat taste good and they were create with a purpose also to be eating by us. OLGA AguilarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2652585531501263961.post-89330883823355730412012-11-16T04:05:15.488-05:002012-11-16T04:05:15.488-05:00Hi Brenna:
I'll tell you that I was not raise...Hi Brenna:<br /><br />I'll tell you that I was not raised vegan. I ate meat, cheese, milk, eggs and fish for 22 years. I used to wear leather shoes, belts and jackets like everyone else. Needless to say, I understand your lifestyle. It used to be mine. And Thanksgiving was the one holiday I looked forward to from a young age. Still do. I love getting together with family and friends. That didn't stop me from becoming vegan, however. Fact is, you don't have to change who you are to be vegan. You can still listen to the same music, have the same friends, and continue being the person you've always been. You only need to align your actions with your ethics. If, as you said, you believe that eating animals is unfair then you already believe what it takes to be vegan. I'm sure you'll do quite well on a vegan diet. Very likely better than you might think. No other food choice has a farther-reaching and more profound impact on the planet and all life in Earth than choosing to become vegan. <br /><br />Being vegan is not about giving up; it’s about not taking. It’s not about giving up meat, dairy and eggs; it’s about not taking someone else’s life and liberty.<br /><br />Thanks for considering my point of view.<br /><br />DemoDemostheneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16238135658237025555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2652585531501263961.post-20377644753124860122012-11-15T22:19:20.597-05:002012-11-15T22:19:20.597-05:00I am still working up to become 80% vegan and its ...I am still working up to become 80% vegan and its hard and takes a lot of will power but I am doing alright with it so going all vegan at this very moment, well lets take one step at a time. Babies don't start running, they first must learn to crawl. The part where turkeys get antibiotics and by humans ( I tried turkey once in my life and hated the taste, i don't eat turkey) eating the turkeys get the same antibiotics turns my stomach. We were speaking in class how maybe premature puberty is happening bc of this. <br /> -Antoinette K Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2652585531501263961.post-35062718935861995412012-11-15T21:14:45.221-05:002012-11-15T21:14:45.221-05:00Hi Alexandra:
While it may seem like a daunting t...Hi Alexandra:<br /><br />While it may seem like a daunting task to get people to change their way of relating to the world, fact is, just because individually can't change everything doesn't mean we should bother to change anything. Let me quote author Isaac Bashevis Singer on this subject “People often say that humans have always eaten animals, as if this is a justification for continuing the practice. According to this logic, we should not try to prevent people from murdering other people, since this has also been done since the earliest of times.” <br /><br />Every form of discrimination in the history of humankind, however, has been defended as “traditional.” Sexism is routinely justified on the grounds that it is traditional for women to be subservient to men: “A woman’s place is in the home.” Human slavery has been a tradition in most cultures at some times. The fact that some behavior can be described as traditional has nothing to do with whether the behavior is or is not morally acceptable.<br /><br />I too hope that future generations adopt a vegan lifestyle, but the change has to start now and with individuals like you and me. If not us, who? If not now, when? <br /><br />Thanks for considering my point of view.<br /><br />DemoDemostheneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16238135658237025555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2652585531501263961.post-70175015694870553632012-11-15T19:44:45.406-05:002012-11-15T19:44:45.406-05:00Hi Kiani:
Thanksgiving is a very important tradit...Hi Kiani:<br /><br />Thanksgiving is a very important tradition to just about everyone in this country. It certainly is to me. I very much enjoy getting together with family and friends. <br /><br />Every form of discrimination in the history of humankind, however, has been defended as “traditional.” Sexism is routinely justified on the grounds that it is traditional for women to be subservient to men: “A woman’s place is in the home.” Human slavery has been a tradition in most cultures at some times. The fact that some behavior can be described as traditional has nothing to do with whether the behavior is or is not morally acceptable.<br /><br />In addition to relying on tradition, some characterize our use of animals as “natural” and then declare it to be morally acceptable. Again, to describe something as natural does not in itself say anything about the morality of the practice. In the first place, just about every form of discrimination ever practiced has been described as natural as well as traditional.<br /><br />How would you feel that if on the day that you were born someone else had already determined the day of your execution? That is what it's like to be a cow, a chicken or a turkey on this planet. I think this is inexcusable from a species (humans) who claim to know right from wrong. The animals have not done one single thing to us to warrant the wrath that we inflict on them. <br /><br />Thanks for considering my point of view.<br /><br />DemoDemostheneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16238135658237025555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2652585531501263961.post-76211547864947491422012-11-15T19:34:02.109-05:002012-11-15T19:34:02.109-05:00Hi Joanna:
If you agree that killing an animal fo...Hi Joanna:<br /><br />If you agree that killing an animal for food is wrong then you can absolutely become vegan. Sure it may seem way out from what you're used to, and that's understandable. You likely find, however, that it's not at all as difficult as you might think. Vegans are not in on some secret that no one else is privy to. We simply chose to question where our food came from and found horrible answers. No, veal calves are not the only animals enslaved and slaughtered in horrible ways. Fact is, 56 billion land animals are born, fed, and slaughtered every year around the world. What is routinely done to farmed animals would land someone in jail if they did it to a dog or cat. Yet this nightmare goes on every single day of every single year for billions of animals who are every bit as sentient as the family dog or cat. <br /><br />If you think that being vegan is hard (it isn't), think about how hard it is for the 56 billion animals that you're not vegan. <br /><br />Thanks for considering my point to view.<br /><br />DemoDemostheneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16238135658237025555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2652585531501263961.post-1885966774464824452012-11-15T19:12:09.076-05:002012-11-15T19:12:09.076-05:00Hi Yelena:
It really is just that easy to give up...Hi Yelena:<br /><br />It really is just that easy to give up animal use and consumption. I'll tell you that I was not raised vegan. I ate meat, cheese, milk, eggs and fish for 22 years. I used to wear leather shoes, belts and jackets like everyone else. Needless to say, I understand your lifestyle. It used to be mine. Sure it may take some time, effort, investigation and an adjustment period to become vegan, but contrary to what we've been taught from a young age, animals do not belong to us. They are not commodities, they're not property and they're not inanimate objects devoid of feeling. For this reason, becoming vegan is the single best thing you can do if you take the interests of animals seriously. No other food choice has a farther-reaching or more profoundly positive impact on the planet and all life on Earth than choosing to become vegan.<br /><br />Thanks for considering my point to view.<br /><br />DemoDemostheneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16238135658237025555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2652585531501263961.post-51127775556245182712012-11-15T19:01:15.421-05:002012-11-15T19:01:15.421-05:00Hi Janel:
I'm happy to hear that my post was ...Hi Janel:<br /><br />I'm happy to hear that my post was helpful for you. Like you, most people are totally against animal cruelty. Unfortunately, most of those same people contradict that belief by continuing to consume animals. The only way to resolve that contradiction is to choose to become vegan. No other food choice has a farther-reaching or more profoundly positive impact on the planet and all life on Earth than choosing to become vegan. For this reason I'd like to ask you to consider full fledged veganism. If you believe that animals should be free from harm you can't eat animals at some meals, but not at others. Think of it this way: sure you're not having a hamburger today, but that’s little consolation to the chicken you’re eating on another day or the goat confined and impregnated to make your feta cheese on yet another day. Sure, reducing your consumption of animals and their products is a good first step, but eliminating their consumption and use from your lifestyle entirely is a far more profound position to take.<br /><br />Please start here: www.vegankit.com<br /><br />Thanks for considering my point of view.<br /><br />DemoDemostheneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16238135658237025555noreply@blogger.com